roy: it depends on which side of the biblical interpretation you're on.
a man can be wrong, without being evil incarnate. if falwell was the devil personified, as many are treating him while they rejoice in his death, then maybe the devil isnt all that bad as i've been lead to believe.
I suppose it does. I fall on the side that says that segregationist jerks who say things like "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped [the terrorist attacks on 9/11] happen," and who claim that AIDS is "the wrath of a just God against homosexuals" and who called homosexuals "brute beasts" are hate mongers. I rather think that being a "decent" person would preclude one making a living by encouraging and endorsing bigotry and hatred.
I'm a little wacky like that.
Sure, there are people who were/are "more evil" than Falwell... but, that speaks more to those individuals level of vileness, not to Falwell's decency.
I like how CNN put it in their headline: "Falwell's legacy: faith, hate or Teletubbies?" Having a Mom who graduated from Liberty University and growing up in a household that had similar ideas, I am not ubber enthusiastic about him. Any college where you get disciplined for not dusting your room and where people will actually stop you and measure how long your skirt is has issues in my book.
He was a scary, scary man. Even more scary is the fact that many people took him seriously and followed him.
He preached hatred and intolerance, and did a lot of harm during his years on earth. He was not a voice of reason, but a Bible-clutching rabble rouser.
I hate that my wonderful city is home to his putrid maggot-infested shit-brimming excuse of a "magazine." Why are men like that allowed to live while hundreds of innocents die in Darfur every day?
For the record, I am not rejoicing in Jerry's death. Tinky Winky is. I'm not particularly sad to see him go, though.
roy, I agree he was a bigoted, hateful man. Sadly, that doesn't really make him unique. Just proves we've still got a long way to go.
lisetiffner, I knew people who went to Liberty (not my mom, although while I was growing up she was conservative... she probably gets less so with each passing day). I was also raised extremely conservative, fundamentalist, etc. I worked at a Bible camp that had rules like that.
odderie, no, it isn't. Thanks for making me feel clever and creative! :)
Here's the thing -- I've watched Teletubbies with my son.
Tinky Winky has been known to wear a tutu, loves when magic clouds cover his body in pretty flowers (the other male Tubby ran away), and he does carry a purse.
Tinky Winky is *at least* into cross-dressing, if he's not gay. Now, I don't agree with where Falwell *went* with his observation about Tinky Winky (some garbage about brainwashing children I think... I don't really actually listen to him... and I would totally embrace an openly gay children's character, Tubby or otherwise).
But he "outed" Tinky Winky, and he might not have been wrong.
For the record, I am gayer than Christmas, as my friend Jon likes to say, and I: do not own nor have ever worn a tutu, am pretty sure I would run away from magic, flower-bearing clouds, and do not have a purse. (It's called a messenger bag, thank you.) Not that you were generalizing, I'm just responding to some rumors that have been going around.
Actually, can I say I think Falwell was onto something with Tinky Winky. He *IS* kind of a queen, you know? Where poor Jerry got off the track was thinking that just seeing a gay(ish) cartoon character turns children queer. No, Jerry. It takes years of original Broadway cast albums and Joan Crawford films.
"lisetiffner, I knew people who went to Liberty (not my mom, although while I was growing up she was conservative... she probably gets less so with each passing day). I was also raised extremely conservative, fundamentalist, etc. I worked at a Bible camp that had rules like that."
Liberty sounds like a great school. Most of these colleges have turned into hooker and blowjob alleys.
butterfly -- well, he could just like to wear tutus. I think a lot of really young boys try on their mom's clothes, etc. Just experimenting, getting to know the world, all that. Nothing wrong with that ;)
andy -- and the more you fight it, the more they want it. I bet that the best way for parents to "make" their kids straight would be to try to set them up with same-sex boyfriends/girlfriends. Kids always do the opposite of what their parents want ;)
(joking, of course. Good, loving parents don't care what their kids' sexual orientation is, they only care that they are happy, healthy, and decent. Period.)
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This seems to be the hot blog topic of the day!
Strangely enough, though, I'm still waiting to see someone in mourning. Hmm . . .
I've got my black veil on.
Jerry "Hate Monger" Falwell was a *sniff* great* man.
*where "great" means "evil, bigoted bastard of a"
i thought jerry falwell was a decent man, if a little wrongheaded at times.
even larry flynt, his personal friend, would agree with me on this.
A little wrong headed at times?
Heh. That's a bit of an understatement, isn't it?
The man was practically bigotry and hatred personified.
roy:
it depends on which side of the biblical interpretation you're on.
a man can be wrong, without being evil incarnate. if falwell was the devil personified, as many are treating him while they rejoice in his death, then maybe the devil isnt all that bad as i've been lead to believe.
I suppose it does. I fall on the side that says that segregationist jerks who say things like "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped [the terrorist attacks on 9/11] happen," and who claim that AIDS is "the wrath of a just God against homosexuals" and who called homosexuals "brute beasts" are hate mongers. I rather think that being a "decent" person would preclude one making a living by encouraging and endorsing bigotry and hatred.
I'm a little wacky like that.
Sure, there are people who were/are "more evil" than Falwell... but, that speaks more to those individuals level of vileness, not to Falwell's decency.
I like how CNN put it in their headline: "Falwell's legacy: faith, hate or Teletubbies?" Having a Mom who graduated from Liberty University and growing up in a household that had similar ideas, I am not ubber enthusiastic about him. Any college where you get disciplined for not dusting your room and where people will actually stop you and measure how long your skirt is has issues in my book.
teeheehee
Okay, I can't help it -- the title of your post made me giggle. Is that so wrong?
He was a scary, scary man. Even more scary is the fact that many people took him seriously and followed him.
He preached hatred and intolerance, and did a lot of harm during his years on earth. He was not a voice of reason, but a Bible-clutching rabble rouser.
No black veil here.
even larry flynt, his personal friend
::recoils::
I hate that my wonderful city is home to his putrid maggot-infested shit-brimming excuse of a "magazine." Why are men like that allowed to live while hundreds of innocents die in Darfur every day?
For the record, I am not rejoicing in Jerry's death. Tinky Winky is. I'm not particularly sad to see him go, though.
roy, I agree he was a bigoted, hateful man. Sadly, that doesn't really make him unique. Just proves we've still got a long way to go.
lisetiffner, I knew people who went to Liberty (not my mom, although while I was growing up she was conservative... she probably gets less so with each passing day). I was also raised extremely conservative, fundamentalist, etc. I worked at a Bible camp that had rules like that.
odderie, no, it isn't. Thanks for making me feel clever and creative! :)
heart, none here either.
Here's the thing -- I've watched Teletubbies with my son.
Tinky Winky has been known to wear a tutu, loves when magic clouds cover his body in pretty flowers (the other male Tubby ran away), and he does carry a purse.
Tinky Winky is *at least* into cross-dressing, if he's not gay. Now, I don't agree with where Falwell *went* with his observation about Tinky Winky (some garbage about brainwashing children I think... I don't really actually listen to him... and I would totally embrace an openly gay children's character, Tubby or otherwise).
But he "outed" Tinky Winky, and he might not have been wrong.
That's a legacy, I guess.
*smile*
For the record, I am gayer than Christmas, as my friend Jon likes to say, and I: do not own nor have ever worn a tutu, am pretty sure I would run away from magic, flower-bearing clouds, and do not have a purse. (It's called a messenger bag, thank you.) Not that you were generalizing, I'm just responding to some rumors that have been going around.
Actually, can I say I think Falwell was onto something with Tinky Winky. He *IS* kind of a queen, you know? Where poor Jerry got off the track was thinking that just seeing a gay(ish) cartoon character turns children queer. No, Jerry. It takes years of original Broadway cast albums and Joan Crawford films.
"lisetiffner, I knew people who went to Liberty (not my mom, although while I was growing up she was conservative... she probably gets less so with each passing day). I was also raised extremely conservative, fundamentalist, etc. I worked at a Bible camp that had rules like that."
Liberty sounds like a great school. Most of these colleges have turned into hooker and blowjob alleys.
butterfly -- well, he could just like to wear tutus. I think a lot of really young boys try on their mom's clothes, etc. Just experimenting, getting to know the world, all that. Nothing wrong with that ;)
andy -- and the more you fight it, the more they want it. I bet that the best way for parents to "make" their kids straight would be to try to set them up with same-sex boyfriends/girlfriends. Kids always do the opposite of what their parents want ;)
(joking, of course. Good, loving parents don't care what their kids' sexual orientation is, they only care that they are happy, healthy, and decent. Period.)
knights... just imagine me scratching my head.
LF, just imagine me scratching my head and picking my nose at the same time.
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